To pre-empt the 2 main posters on this site from jumping to their guns and flaming me instantly, I've this to say. Don't worry about your abilities man. I've been your friend for about 5 years now and I don't doubt your capabilities. If anybody can make it, you guys can certainly do it. At least being in a school with strong competition is better than hacking up programs that don't matter and get thrown away by management. Now that doesn't mean I'm not irritated by the poor-me tone so far. So take the previous post as some light-hearted sarcasm. :) PaperD